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Abu Hurairah or Paul?
Perhaps you have heard of the name "Paul" (spelling?). There was a
Paul as the disciple of Jesus. But this famous Paul is not that one.
He is a person who (some say) did not see Jesus himself except in his
dreams. He was against the christians on those days, and after a
revelation in a dream, he became christian, and he became the father
of todays' christianity. Nobody asked him those days:
Where have you been my son when Jesus was on the cross?
Why do you claim that you can now expand, explain, and
defend the religion which you fought for a few years?
My point is that: He became the base of christianity and the source of
revelation. Everything, then, came through him. Several rules and
theology of christianity, all came through his sentences which were
not in the original religion at the beginning. How many sentences, you
think, caused christians to deviate from their true roots?
There is a person named as Abu Hurairah whose history I will bring
after a while. This man says himself:
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1.113:
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
There is none among the companions of the Prophet who has narrated
more Hadiths than I except 'Abdallah bin Amr (bin al-'As) who used to
write them and I never did the same.
All nine volumns of Sahih Bukhari contains 7068 traditions. From these
traditions, about 1100 traditions are narrated from this man, in other
words, 15.56% of the whole traditions in Sahih Bukhari (almost 1/6).
(I will soon give you the number of traditions narrated by Abu Hurairah
in Sahih Muslim.)
As I showed on "Abu Huraira or Loui Pasteur", he contradicted himself
as well as science. The following hadith is another one where he clearly
narrates a hadith which is not in accordance with what Aisha and Umm
Salamh narrate. If we accept that Aisha and Umm Salamh were in the house
of the prophet more than any other wives, we can easily see the problem
here.
{This is in page 81, in a section titled as:
Is a fasting person gets up in the morning in the state of
Janaba (will his fast be valid?) }
This hadith is translated by the translator ONLY up to the end of the
first paragraph. He then stopped translating. However, the arabic text
is still there. The rest is my own translation. If you do not want to
trust me, I suggest you refer to the arabic text. In addition, I will
bring you more sources for the explanation and translation I made.
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3.148
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Narrated Aisha and Umm Salam: At times Allah Apostle (may peace be
upon him) used to get up in the morning in the state of Janaba after
having sexual relations with his wives. He would then take a bath and
fast.
Marwan said to Abdu-arrahman ibn Hareth: Swear to God that by (hearing)
this, Abu Huraira will scream. At this time, Marwan was in Madinah.
Abu Bakr said: Abd-arrahman did not like this. Then it happened that
we gathered in Dhi-Hulaifah where Abu Hurairah had a piece of earth.
Abd-arrahman told Abu Hurairah: I am telling you this, and if Marwan
did not ask me (by swear) for this, I would not have been mentioning
this to you. Then he mentioned the (traditions) narrated by Aisha and
Umm Salamh. He (Abu Hurairah) said: al-fadhl Ibn Abbas narrated me so
and he is more knowledgeable. Hammam and Ibn Abdullah Ibn Umar narrated
from Abu Hurairah that the prophet ordered for opening the sawm (and
not to fast), (obviously) the first chain (from Aisha and Umm Salam) is
more trustable.
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The above traditions are taken from:
The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari
Arabic-English
Dr. Mohammad Muhsin Khan
Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara
Kaze Publications.
1529 North Wells Street, Chicago. ILL.60610(USA)
(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)
Call Number(In library of Waterloo university): BP135.A124E54
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From: asabati@sol.UVic.CA (ahmad)
In article elrabaa@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca (M. ElRabaa) writes:
> Again Kamran is spelling his misconceptions into the net ...
>
> 1) Abu-Hurirah (RA) stayed very close to the Prophet (alihi
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> assalato wassalam) for few years, he did not go to markets
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Dear Brother Mohammad, I would like to ask you the following question:
Do you know for how long Abu-Hurirah Has stayed with the Prophet?
The answer is found in the following sunni referances:
1. al-Milala wa al-Nihal, by iben al-Jawzia, Pub. Egypt.
2. Sirat iben Hisham, Pub. Egypt.
Abu-Hurirah became a moslem only two years before the Prophet (s.a.w) died.
Therefore, How can he report some 2000 hadith in the Saheeh al-Bukhari
alone, while there are olny very few hadiths are reported by Imam Ali, Imam
Al-Hasan,Imam al-Husain, or Fatimah al-zahrah. How would you explain such
things ? I am intrested in your objective and scientific answer supported
by some referances.
> Prophet (alihi assalato wassalam) almost 24 hrs a day !!!
> That is why he narrated a lot of ahadith ...
>
> 2) He also narrated a lot of ahadith which he heard from
> other sahaba (RAA) ... sahaba were good muslims and trusted
> each other, so he took some ahadith from the sahaba ...
>
> As for the example of contradiction Kamran gives, all I can
> say is this, go and check a fiqh book !!!
>
> I mentioned this before several times ... to make a ruling
> of ahadith, you have to check fiqh books ... it is not
> a straight forword matter ... if someone is interested
> and does not have a fiqh book (like Fiqh El-sunnah) pls
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Dear brother, I have The above mentioned book, Fiqh al-sunnah, by Said
Sabiq, Published in Egypt. Would you kindly give me the page number so that
I could look by myself.
On the other hand, since you have Fiqh al-Sunnah book please notce that
when Said Sabiq ( one of very respected sunni scholars and the auther of
the well konwn books such as the above mentioned book) talk about some
issues , he some time refer to the Shiat point of view of that issue. For
example : Zawaj al-Mutah, Qanoon al-Hawal al-Shakhesaih (the Low of
Marriage).Also, notice his tone when he talk about the shiat moslems or
scholars!
Please, after you look at the above two chapter of the book let me know
what you think.
AHMAD
UNIVERISTY OF VICTORIA
VICTORIA, BC, CANADA
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From: IN%"kaamran@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.CA" 5-DEC-1993 14:28:43.53
Subject: Statistical numbers
The only hadith in this article was taken from:
The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari
Arabic-English
Dr. Mohammad Muhsin Khan
Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara
Kaze Publications.
1529 North Wells Street, Chicago. ILL.60610(USA)
(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)
Call Number(In library of Waterloo university): BP135.A124E54
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Among all sahabah and those who visited the prophet, only a few
narrated MOST of the traditions inside Sehah. Their number is fewer that
the number of fingers. While other traditions say that at least 1400
people were acompanied the prophet in Hudaybiyah. The Madinah itself had
more than 3000 inhabitants.In the Battle of Macca (Fath-al-mobeen), more
than 10,000 people were participant. In the last Hajj of the prophet,
more than the same number were with the prophet. From all of these
people, only a few have been mentioned inside Sehah. Some of these
people, such as Abu Hurairah were converted to Islam only three years
before the death of the prophet. Another, for example, is Aisha, the
mother of faithful. She narrated a lot of traditions too. Let see how old
she was:
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5.236:
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Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He
stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she
was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she
was nine years old.
Some simple computations say that:
1)- The prophet engaged with Aisha one year before his movement
to Madinah. (One year before Hijrah). At that time, Aisha
was six years old. (Another hadith narrated by Aisha herself
says that she was playing with baby-tools on those days.)
2)- The prophet married her in the SECOND year of Hijrah, when
Aisha was 9 years old.
3)- Assuming that the prophet lived only 10 years after Hijrah,
Aisha lived only 8 years with the prophet in her adult age.
One more point should be added that , as I will give the exact
references, a female easily forgets exact wordings, or the words
themselves. This is the nature of woman. Aisha did not have
a superior nature of humanity too. It is normal to expect that she
might have forgotten some of traditions in its true form.
Let us see some numbers now. I am going to give you some statistics
about the number of traditions narrated by different people. I do not
claim these numbers are accurate, since I did not count them by finger.
The only persons whose traditions are counted by me and in person is
Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb and his sons. Some of traditions which are written
repeatedly by Imam Bukhari are also considered in the following numbers.
As the result, you have to sometime reduce 100 from them.
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Total number of traditions in 9 volumns of Bukhari: 7068
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Aisha the mother of faithful: 1250 (17.68%)
Abu Hurairah: 1100 (15.56%)
Ibn-Umar, son of Umar: 1100 (15.56%)
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Anas-Ibn-Malik: 900 (12.73%)
Abdullah-Ibn-Abbas: 700 (9.9%)
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Jobair-Ibn-Abdullah: 275 (3.89%)
Abu-Musa-Ashari: 165 (2.33%)
Abu-Said-Al-Khedri: 130 (1.84%)
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Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb: 79 (1.11%)
Umar-Ibn-Khattab: 50 (0.71%)
Umm Salamh: 48 (0.68%)
Abdullah-Ibn-Masud: 45 (0.64%)
Muawiyah-Ibn-Abusofyan: 10 (0.14%)
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Hasan-Ibn-Ali: 8 (0.11%)
Ali-Ibn-Husain: 6 (0.08%)
Husain-Ibn-Ali: 2 (0.03%)
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As you can see, there is so few traditions narrated from
Ali-Ibn-Abitalib, and specially his sons. I have not given other
numbers for other narrators, yet. The author of this book, Imam
Bukhari was living in the life time of Imam Bagher, son of
Ali-Ibn-Husain, and Imam Jafar. He did not narrate ONE single hadith
from them. This is when that Imam Jafar and Imam Bagher were narrating
hadith from their fathers up to Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb and finally from the
prophet himself. In other words, Imam Bukhari did not accept that
these sons of Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb are WORTHY of narrating hadith, and he
thought that they are liars.
If you look at the sources of Hadith of shiat, you will find that
these people were not silent. They narrated a lot traditions from their
fathers up to Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb, and finally from the prophet. Is it
not interesting?
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From: kaamran@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Abu Huraira (Part 1: A confession?)
The following hadith is not strange as far as the content of the
hadith goes. At the beginning, Abu Huraira is narrating the hadith from
the prophet. When people asked him whether he heard this hadith from the
prophet or not, he said that he did not, and he narrated by his ownself.
1)- What I would like you to do for me is to use your keyboard
and clearly partition the first hadith to two parts:
a)- The part that is spoken by the prophet, and
b)- the part that is spoken ONLY by Abu Hurairah.
2)- I would like you to clearly tell me why people asked him
whether these words are spoken by the prophet. As far as
my knowledge says, people asked this question only if the
hadith was really strange to them, such as the traditions which
are talking about future and some events which were
unbelievable for them, and is taking place these days. What was
strange in this hadith, and why people asked Abu Huraira
whether he is telling what he heard from the prophet or not.
3)- I would like you to clearly tell me what would have happened
if people did not ask Abu Huraira whether any part of the
hadith is truly spoken by the prophet or not.
4)- If people did not ask Abu Huraira whether the hadith is told
by the prophet or not, apparently, people would have
considered the whole hadith as the words of the prophet. The
truth was, in any case, that Abu huraira said something of his
own and attached some EXTRA words to a hadith narrated
(perhaps) spoken by the prophet. I would like you to clearly
tell me why do you trust such person who adds some words of his
own to the words of the prophet.
5)- Would you kindly quote all the traditions which are narrated by
Abu Huraira and accepted by Imam Bukhari and Muslim, and
clearly draw a line between parts which are spoken by the
prophet and the words spoken by Abu Huraira.
I really do not understand how a man allows himself to say something
which has not heard from the prophet and to attach it with prophet
words without even warning in advance. Or, why he tells something of
his own before clearly stating at the beginning of his own words that
these are his words and not the prophet?
The second example clearly shows that Abu huraira has added to what
the prophet (probably) said. How about cases where nobody has reported
the something is extra given by Abu Huraira?
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
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"The Prophet said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is
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rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should
start first to support your dependents.' A wife says, 'You should
either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me
food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you
leave me?" The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from
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Allah's Apostle ?" He said, "No, it is from my own self."
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I would like to know why Abu Huraira USED TO add some other places as
well?
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7.492:
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Anas bin Malik said:
Allah's Apostle said, "Do not make drinks in Ad-Dubba' nor in
al-Muzaffat. Abu Huraira used to add to them al-Hantam and An-Naqir.
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The above hadith is taken from:
The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari
Arabic-English
Dr. Mohammad Muhsin Khan
Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara
Kaze Publications.
1529 North Wells Street, Chicago. ILL.60610(USA)
(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)
Call Number(In library of Waterloo university): BP135.A124E54
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From: kaamran@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Abu Huraira (Part 2: The origin of Abu Huraira?)
Sunni brothers usually quote a few verses from Quran to show that the
sahabah who participated in the pledge of Hudaibyia have high standard
(virtue) and are considered very respectfully. Fine. I do not want to
discuss the correctness of this interpretation and understanding here.
Did you know that Abu Huraira was not muslim on those days, and was not
among muslims on those days, and certainly did not witness the plegdge
of Hudaibyia? Yes, Abu Huraira never witnessed the plege of Hudaibyia.
Abu Huraira was a Jew, became muslim on the day of Khaibar which took
place one year after the pledge of Hudaibyia, and spent ONLY three years
with the prophet.
1)- Abu Huraira became muslim on the day of Khaibar. This is testified
by Jabir ibn Abdullah. (Second hadith)
>>> Abu Huraira came to the Prophet during the day of Khaibar.
I do not need to emphasize this point that the battle of Khaibar took
place between muslims and Jews. Abu Huraira was a Jew before he became
muslim.
2)- Abu Huraira was with the prophet only three years. (He himself
testifies in the first hadith.)
>>> I enjoyed the company of Allah's Apostle for three years
3)- Perhaps, you better know how others greeted him when he became
muslim on that day.
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
I enjoyed the company of Allah's Apostle for three years, and during
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the other years of my life, never was I so anxious to understand the
(Prophet's) traditions as I was during those three years. I heard him
saying, beckoning with his hand in this way, "Before the Hour you will
fight with people who will have hairy shoes and live in al-Bariz."
(Sufyan, the sub-narrator once said, "And they are the people of
al-Bazir.")
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Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
That he fought in a Ghazwa towards Najd along with Allah's Apostle and
when Allah's Apostle returned, he too, returned along with him. The
time of the afternoon nap overtook them when they were in a valley
full of thorny trees. Allah's Apostle dismounted and the people
dispersed amongst the thorny trees, seeking the shade of the trees.
Allah's Apostle took shelter under a Samura tree and hung his sword on
it. We slept for a while when Allah's Apostle suddenly called us, and
we went to him, to find a bedouin sitting with him. Allah's Apostle
said, "This (bedouin) took my sword out of its sheath while I was
asleep. When I woke up, the naked sword was in his hand and he said to
me, 'Who can save you from me?, I replied, 'Allah.' Now here he is
sitting." Allah's Apostle did not punish him (for that).
Through another group of narrators, Jabir said, "We were in the
company of the Prophet (during the battle of) Dhat-ur-Riqa', and we
came across a shady tree and we left it for the Prophet (to take rest
under its shade). A man from the pagans came while the Prophet's sword
was hanging on the tree. He took it out of its sheath secretly and
said (to the Prophet ), 'Are you afraid of me?' The Prophet said,
'No.' He said, 'Who can save you from me?' The Prophet said, Allah.'
The companions of the Prophet threatened him, then the Iqama for the
prayer was announced and the Prophet offered a two Rakat Fear prayer
with one of the two batches, and that batch went aside and he offered
two Rak'a-t with the other batch. So the Prophet offered four Rakat
but the people offered two Rakat only." (The sub-narrator) Abu Bishr
added, "The man was Ghaurath bin al-Harith and the battle was waged
against Muharib Khasafa." Jabir added, "We were with the Prophet at
Nakhl and he offered the Fear prayer." Abu Huraira said, "I offered
the Fear prayer with the Prophet during the Ghazwa (i.e. the battle)
of Najd." Abu Huraira came to the Prophet during the day of Khaibar.
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Narrated 'Anbasa bin Said:
Abu Huraira came to the Prophet and asked him (for a share from the
Khaibar booty). On that, one of the sons of Said bin al-'As said to
him, "O Allah's Apostle! Do not give him." Abu Huraira then said (to
the Prophet ) "This is the murderer of Ibn Qauqal." Sa'id's son said,
"How strange! A guinea pig coming from Qadum Ad-Dan!"
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Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle sent Aban from Medina to Najd as
the commander of a Sariya. Aban and his companions came to the Prophet
at Khaibar after the Prophet had conquered it, and the reins of their
horses were made of the fire of date palm trees. I said, "O Allah's
Apostle! Do not give them a share of the booty." on, that, Aban said
(to me), "Strange! You suggest such a thing though you are what you
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are, O guinea pig coming down from the top of Ad-Dal (a lotus tree)!
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"On that the Prophet said, "O Aban, sit down ! " and did not give them
any share.
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Narrated Said:
Aban bin Said came to the Prophet and greeted him. Abu Huraira said,
"O Allah's Apostle! This (Aban) is the murderer of the Ibn Qauqal."
(On hearing that), Aban said to Abu Huraira, "How strange your saying
is! You, a guinea pig, descending from Qadum Dan, blaming me for
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(killing) a person whom Allah favored (with martyrdom) with my hand,
and whom He forbade to degrade me with his hand.'
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From: kaamran@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Abu Huraira (Part 3: His mental and physical conditions)
1)- After Abu Huraira became muslim, he did not have anything. He used
to ask people to recite a verse of Quran, not because he wanted to
benefit the Quran. He wanted the person to feel religiously close
and ask Abu Huraira for a dinner or lunch. This is well known
phenomena as "Comibing stomach and religion". (Or combing religion
with the money, stomach, power, ... or with trivial things)
2)- Even people did not believe that such person can narrate so many
traditions. {No reference now: It has been told that Abu Huraira
narrated 40,000 traditions during his life time. Dinving
such number of traditions to three years of his
companionship will result to 36 traditions per day (!!!).
A reference I gave a few weeks ago confirms that he,
himself, has confessed that nobody among the sahabah
has narrated as many traditions as he did. Knowing this
fact that he is the second person in rate of narrating
hadith in Bukhari and Muslim, we conclude that he must
have narrated more traditions than is recorded in these
two books.}
In one given hadith, he, himself, has confessed that people accused
him of madness.
3)- Interesting point is that there is NO single hadith narrated by
others as the merit of Abu Huraira. If you search the whole Bukhari
and Muslim as the merit of Abu Huraira, whatever hadith you see about
his companionship with the prophet, and his so called knowledge is
narretd by him ALONE. On the other hand, when you read the merit of
Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb (Salman, Umar, Zubair, ...), you can see that there
were different narrators to say one hadith for Ali-Ibn-Abitaleeb (Or
others). This does not happen with Abu Huraira at all. All the
traditions like:
I was a good boy, I did this and that
were narrated ONLY by Abu Huraira. I am asking you to tell me if you
accept the testimony of person in the court saying that he is a good
boy.
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
The people used to say, "Abu Huraira narrates too many narrations." In
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fact I used to keep close to Allah's Apostle and was satisfied with
what filled my stomach. I ate no leavened bread and dressed no
decorated striped clothes, and never did a man or a woman serve me,
and I often used to press my belly against gravel because of hunger,
and I used to ask a man to recite a Quranic Verse to me although I
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knew it, so that he would take me to his home and feed me. And the
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most generous of all the people to the poor was Ja'far bin Abi Talib.
He used to take us to his home and offer us what was available
therein. He would even offer us an empty folded leather container (of
butter) which we would split and lick whatever was in it.
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
I used to accompany Allah's Apostle to fill my stomach; and that was
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when I did not eat baked bread, nor wear silk. Neither a male nor a
female slave used to serve me, and I used to bind stones over my belly
and ask somebody to recite a Quranic Verse for me though I knew it, so
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that he might take me to his house and feed me. Ja'far bin Abi Talib
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was very kind to the poor, and he used to take us and feed us with
what ever was available in his house, (and if nothing was available),
he used to give us the empty (honey or butter) skin which we would
tear and lick whatever was in it.
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Narrated Muhammad:
We were with Abu Huraira while he was wearing two linen garments dyed
with red clay. He cleaned his nose with his garment, saying, "Bravo!
Bravo! Abu Huraira is cleaning his nose with linen! There came a time
when I would fall senseless between the pulpit of Allah's Apostle and
'Aisha's dwelling whereupon a passerby would come and put his foot on
my neck, considering me a mad man, but in fact, I had no madness, I
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suffered nothing but hunger."
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7.287i:
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Narrated Abu Huraira:
Once while I was in a state of fatigue (because of severe hunger), I
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met 'Umar bin al-Khattab, so I asked him to recite a verse from
Allah's Book to me. He entered his house and interpreted it to me.
(Then I went out and) after walking for a short distance, I fell on my
face because of fatigue and severe hunger. Suddenly I saw Allah's
Apostle standing by my head. He said, "O Abu Huraira!" I replied,
"Labbaik, O Allah's Apostle, and Sadaik!" Then he held me by the hand,
and made me get up. Then he came to know what I was suffering from. He
took me to his house, and ordered a big bowl of milk for me. I drank
thereof and he said, "Drink more, O Abu Hirr!" So I drank again,
whereupon he again said, "Drink more." So I drank more till my belly
became full and looked like a bowl. Afterwards I met 'Umar and
mentioned to him what had happened to me, and said to him, "Somebody,
who had more right than you, O 'Umar, took over the case. By Allah, I
asked you to recite a Verse to me while I knew it better than you." On
that Umar said to me, "By Allah, if I admitted and entertained you, it
would have been dearer to me than having nice red camels.
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The above traditions are taken from:
The translation of the meaning of Sahih al-Bukhari
Arabic-English
Dr. Mohammad Muhsin Khan
Islamic University, Medina al-Munawwara
Kaze Publications.
1529 North Wells Street, Chicago. ILL.60610(USA)
(3rd revised, 1977)(4th revised Edition, March 1979)
Call Number(In library of Waterloo university): BP135.A124E54
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From: imran@panix.com (Imran Anwar)
Subject: Re: Abu Huraira (Part 3: His mental and physical conditions)
Djamel has posted an attack on the posting about Abu Huraira that bears to
be responded to . Djamel. If someone has SUPERHUMAN abilities all of a
sudden would you not be suspicious. We do not hear that Abu Huraira was a
man with a SUPER memory before he met the Prophet. Suddenly, he comes to
Hazrat Muhammad (SAAS), spenmds three years with him and can remember
EVERYTHING by some MAGICAL powers.
It has nothing to do with someone trying to make people shia or sunni by
questioning the baloney that Abu Huraira was spewing. This man was using
his BRIEF time with the prphet (SAAS) for PERSONAL gain and to continue to
GAIN INFLUENCE every time something came up that required an opinion HE
was the one who came up with some HADEES he SUDDENLY FUILLY REMEMEBRED.
In particular he HATED Aisha and it is a matter of record that he made up
HADEETH that Aisha DIRECTLY contradicted.
This man's super memory came into existence after the Prophet's death when
suddenly from a PC XT type brain his mind became like a 486/33MHz with a
CD-ROM built in with the entire encyclopaedia of Hadeeth. ANY subject, ANY
time, he would recall something that no one lese knew or had heard before.
Wow!
The likelihood of this man doing it for personal gain, influence, and
political/social motivation is very high and we should be wary of that
instead of questioning the motive of someone who raised these points.
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From: kaamran@sun14.vlsi.uwaterloo.ca
Subject: Re: Abou Huraira
> Article: 7885 of soc.religion.islam
> From: U58369@uicvm.uic.edu
> For example they ask: How could one
> man narrate so many hadiths?
Aysha (respected mother of believers) narrated more than Abu Huraira
in Sahih Bukhari. Ibn Umar narrated the same as Abu Huraira in
Bukhari. I gave all these numbers in an article titled as
Statistical numbers.
I did not ask why Ayesha narrated so many hadith from the prohet. I
did not ask why Ibn-Umar narrated so many hadith, or Ibn-Abbas, or
others. I asked:
How a person who was with the prophet less than three years
has narrated so many traditions?
The rest is ignored since you misunderstood the original question from
the base.
> Abu Huraira only narrated 5,374 hadiths.
Let us assume that Abu Huraira was with the prophet full three years.
5,374/3 = 1791.33 traditions per year,
1791.33/(365-11)= 5.06 traditions per day.
You tell me how? How a man did this every day? Why he was so dedicated
while much more better people such as Umar, his son, Ibn Abbas and Abu
Bakr did not accomplish such? (with the same density as Abu Huraira, 5
hadiths per day?)
Not to mention that Abu Huraira narrated more than any other sahabah,
based on his testimony. Some say that he narrated around 40,000
traditions. Even people who were living around him on that time were
surprised by this man and his narrations (based on the testimony of
Abu Huraira himself.)
Another part is why such man has narrated similar traditions to old
testement? (parts which were clearly rejected by islamic theology?)
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From: shaun@dt.wdc.com (Shaun Astarabadi)
Subject: Re: Abu Huraira (Part 3: His mental and physical conditions)
In <2ghvfa$3nd@gap.caltech.edu> djamel@gemini.ldc.lu.se writes:
>>miracle for Abu Huraira to get super memory?
>>
> Now you seem to recognize your lack of knowledge. Did you know that
> the companion and cousin of the prophet SAAS Abdullah Ibn Abbas has
> got from the prophet his blessings and once sweeped his chest with
> his hand and prayed Allah for him saying:" Allahumma faqqihhou fi
> ddini wa 'allimhou min ta'ouili l kitabi" (i.e. Oh Allah give know-
> ledge in the religion and make him interprete the book)?and by some
> miracle Ibn Abbas became Hibr l oumma (the imam of the nation),that
> was one of the miracles of the prophet SAAS. In almost the same way
> the prophet SAAS made a prayer once for Abu Huraira whn he complai-
> ned to him his shortage in memoizing.
:
As you noted, Ibn Abbas (r) is recognised, even by other sahabah
that he knew "taaweel" (interpretation) of the Quran. This is
different from memorizing of it. Many people, even today, memorize
the whole Quran, that does not mean the know the TRUE meaning behind
all that is in it. Ali ibn AbiTalib (as) was another who said that
there was no aya in the Quran that he didn't know when it was revealed
or why it was revealed and what it meant. The other Sahabah recognised
this about these persons and there are (mutawatir) hadeeths supporting
their knowledge.
Now, on Abu Huraira. Although no one thinks/claims that he knew
"taaweel" of the Quran, you did not show any proof that he got
his memory-powers after the prophet (sawaws) prayed for him.
I would ask you to produce the reference(s) in that regard, preferably
a mention by other sahabah on these special attributes of Abu Hurairah,
as opposed to him describing himself.
I would like to make a further
correction, Abu Hurairah after less than three years with the prophet
(sawaws), did not or avoided telling hadeeths during the periods of
the first three "khulafaa al rashideen", at least. His hadeeth telling
was mainly during Mu'awiya's time and later - this is at least 30 years
after the prophet. So he kept all these 3000 +/- hadeeths in his heart
without telling others about them for all this time. The proof to what
I am saying is that Abu-Bakir, Omar and Uthman (r) did not allow telling
and recording of hadeeths. There is a report, in it Abu Hurairah is
asked if he told such hadeeth in the time of Uthman? He said that he
wouldn't dare to, and that they would have hit/spank him if he did!!
There is nothing holy about any of the personalities of the sahabah,
in particular Abu Hurairah, that should prevent someone searching
for the truth to investigate and re/evaluate their actions. They
were human beings capable of errors at various levels, this is not
to say that Allah (swt) won't forgive their errors, if He chooses.
However, if we are to follow their act, in this life, we must be
clear in conscience that they don't deserve to be mistrusted, after
studying the evidence. For if it becomes evident that they should be
mistrusted, then one's brain (a gift from Allah) would (should) direct
us not to use them as a guide, particularly, in what seems suspicious.
Monday, 30 July 2012
Abu Hurairah or Paul?
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